government, where people's lives are going to be lost? i think the government, assessing their response, they have to be mindful of the potential consequences that can come about as a result of that. >> everybody remembers ruby ridge and many bad things that happened. the government doesn't want something like that. critics are arguing if there was another group, there are different hashtags out there now, mocking this group. calling them vanilla isis. yehadists. they're making fun of the people in the building. at the same time, if this were members of isis or proclaimed members of isis who had taken over a facility, is it fair to say the response would, in fact, be very, very different? >> i think it's a legitimate concern. it's a legitimate argument to have, that the government's response would be different. however, if you're looking at the government resolving things. there's ways to resolve them. the initial way, and we've talked about it, even as it applies to state responses, there has to be a sort of use of