did with president obama doesn't even come close, doesn't even come close, to what you guys are trying to do in my case and you're going to just keep going back trying to find he said this 12 years ago, he said -- you know, it is just garbage. >> meanwhile, a new cnn/orc poll out this morning shows that in iowa voters there are embracing political outsiders, front runner donald trump and ben carson battling it out for the top spot. and senators mark rube rubio and ted cruz falling behind. we've seen lot of candidates blame the media. that resonates with the public, doesn't it? >> you're totally correct, a very popular thing to do to attack the media. look, there are plenty of times when candidates say that the media is biased. we saw that after the last cnbc debate. but in this issue with ben carson it's sort of interesting