sooner. >> i think they would have been extremely concerned if we declared, and we were serious about it, we would become petroleum independent because it would have major impact on their finances and i think that would trump any loyalty they have to people like osama bin laden. >> but they didn't have any loyalty to osama bin laden. the saudis kicked him out. he was their enemy. >> well, you may not think they had any loyalty to him, but i believe otherwise. >> sound like a good plan? >> not to me, carol. again, i go back to the three areas of leadership -- character, presence and intellect. mr. carson is a very smart guy. he wouldn't be a brain surgeon if he wasn't smart, but, you know, sometimes international engagement is a lot like brain surgery but it requires a whole different skill set than the medical professional. i think his comments about what might happen if this or that occur, purely, it's wrongly