nose, ears, eyes. those are the only places i'm talking about. >> so charming. right? joining me now margaret hoover and i'm also joined by mike shields, former chief of staff for the rnc. he is now president of the congressional leadership fund. good morning. let's not pretend. this is the match up everyone will be watching. fiorina versus trump. margaret, will will this be a deafeni defining moment for fiorina. >> yes. she's a shrewd debater and shrewd campaigner and my guess is look, she's the one person who hasn't let trump define her without punching back in a way that doesn't just punch back at trump but punches back at hillary. she caught the face ad and