because the military itself knows about interrogations and that's the way they should have probably taken this program over in the first place. >> so the "washington post" is reporting mitchell seized on a controversial concept known as "learned helplessness." the idea that a prisoner could be reduced through dehumanizing treatment to utter dependency on his captors. one of the ideas to achieve that, that the cia eventually rejected, was mock burials. does this kind of stuff work? >> carol, this is just psychological mumbo-jumbo. it doesn't work. you know, the cia has looked in on interrogations, hostile interrogations over the years in the middle east, south america and they general ly don't work, waterboarding doesn't work. breaking somebody down doesn't work. they tend to give false leads and it's not helpful at all, really. and i think yesterday with