evangelical bookstores. we're seeing he's not a politician and republicans are disgusted with washington so they're looking at him as an outsider who could run. but if you look at this, i've been doing this for 30 years, never have you seen a republican field so wide open. >> interesting. so what about the democratic side? >> that's a very different calculation. no front-runner on the republican side? look at the numbers on the democratic side. hillary clinton 65%. >> wow! >> that's -- jeb bush would look at those and be envious. elizabeth warren at 10%. if clinton doesn't run that gets interesting. joe biden at 9%. bernie sanders at 5%. if clinton doesn't run, carol, and we all expect she will run and we expect we'll hear from her in a month or two, the loyalty to joe biden, loyalty to joe biden kicks in there. but if you're elizabeth warren and hillary clinton doesn't run, you're looking at that number and smiling because you think the liberal base wants you to run. again, remember, we should be clear, she has been crystal clear she is not running. again, that is an answer based on hillary clinton running.