was developing, this is after the whistle blower account became public. my question to you is, how was there no discussion at the senior levels of the state department? >> it's very odd. i read his deposition testimony. he asked secretary pompeo three times about the ambassador. there was no response. he brought to the attention the senior most officials in the state department the memorandum stating there may have been false statements made to congress, there was no response to it. you have to surmise that discussions were going on, but just not with the career officials, they were being kept among the political officials, they weren't including a career official like the. year veteran, ambassador mcginley. >> here's my last question. this is a -- one of these transcripts becoming public. these are only two people.