falls to congress. >> surely, mary, i'm going to ask this to you. that the president will point to the fact that tim morrison sat there and said, nope. i listened in on the call. i wasn't concerned about anything illegal. but isn't the problem bigger than this july 25th phone call? like, this was a wide, kwo coordinated effort? >> i think the president will use this again to repeat his refrain this was a perfect call and pint to probably parts of mr. morrison's testimony, but i think as harry pointed out sort of the actions taken within the white house and outside of the white house by people within the administration don't really support that there wasn't alarm about this. there's been reporting of course, of john bolton's own reaction, we won't know unless and until we hear from him, or about any testimony he may present. we won't know directly until then, directly how he felt about it, but certainly we know what fiona hill has said about it