pence advisers are frustrated with the white house and working to isolate him from all the fallout but a source tells cnn a top pence aide was on that july 25th phone call. with me now, cnn special correspondent jamie gangel and mark bruni columnist for the "new york times" and a cnn contributor. what do you make of the latest move with pence he peddling there's nothing about asking a foreign gft for help theory and then saying we knew nothing about it at the timants this is classic pence. i didn't know anything about it, i'm innocent, innocent, but what do we know about him? he has been in lockstep with donald trump every step of the way. there is one word for mike pence, and that is "loyalty." so there is no way that he is not going to come out and do this publicly. he has an audience. donald trump. that said, we are told by his staff that they are very upset, that they're very concerned,