>> there's no question about it. within apple he's a mythic figure. and respected, admired as a man who saved the company and transformed and transformed it into the juggernaut it is today. no question he accomplished extraordinary things as a businessman. it done mean it wasn't painful and brutal for a lot of people along the way. >> peter, tell me, the film, what surprise you the most being in the weeds, as you were, what surprised you the most making this? >> well, two of the most fascinating things i -- in the film, alex, the director, came up with -- and i reported on steve jobs for "fortune" but had not come across this particular bit -- a spiritual guru, there's a clip where alex found a video of him talking about steve and about how he fell short in his goal of enlightenment.