immigration and how he hopes to combat illegal immigration. but the ceo of the hispanic chamber of commerce, i spoke to him right after their meeting ended and he said trump did more listening than talking. no bombastic comments and it was actually a thoughtful discussion. take a listen to what he said after the meeting. >> he did talk to me candidly about hispanics, some of his friends, who have had longstanding relationships with him. the reality of it is, the private donald was very different from the public donald. and i was very -- i think encouraged by what i heard, but the proof is in the pudding. >> what do you think he meant by that. the proof is in the pudding. >> it's worth noting even if they had a cordial conversation, they disagree on the substance of how to deal with illegal