>> well, absolutely. i mean think about how much we've seen the polls fluctuate so far this cycle. it is a little bit surprising that perry didn't make the cut and kasich swept in there. big win for chris christie if you think about it because he was really far down in the polls. but as you know he's been kind of plowing in in new hampshire trying to make connections with voters there by just being there all the time. so i do think that this is very much in flux and i also think that the lower-tier candidates, though, probably will get a few eyeballs in their earlier debate. and certainly this is a chance for all of them to try to shine and jump up to the next level for coming debates. >> people may be calling it the jv version of the debate, but i think there could be real benefits in being part of that earlier crew. >> that is going to be really fun. the early one is going to be fun. >> right. i want to talk about that in a second. but i just heard as we've been recently talking about this