maybe there was a mechanical failure and they had to get back to land. >> that's the point i'm getting to phil. can we -- from your understanding, do you think they meant nefarious or do you think they were literally just saying somebody had their hands on the wheel? >> i do not believe they met nefarious. let's take a scenario and go down a path quickly. going back to a year when the plane went down if you're in an intelligence community position your first question is is this an act of terrorism? you look at things like the interviews of people who were related to the cockpit members and people on the plane and information from facebook and twitter, did anybody say anything before the plane went down? there are obviously no terror claims. like the manager who is sit in the position that i once sat in they look at the counterterrorism folks and say, you don't think this is terrorism. therefore, what do you think happened here? and somebody said more than likely we think somebody purposefully turned the plane because there's no indication of terrorism. >> just to remind us richard