stop a death sentence in this case. that in one way, looks like an 11-3 verdict in favor of the prosecution, but if one of them says i do not support a verdict of death, that's enough to sentence him to life in prison. >> here's what i'm wondering, given the point you just made. i've never been inside of jury deliberation room, especially when death is potentially on the table, but if you do have on one particular point one holdout, do the other jurors try to convince actively convince that one holdout to change his or her mind? how does that happen? >> almost always that is the case. we just had a very high-profile case here in new york. the murder of young etan patz many many years ago who was a child who was abducted and disappeared over 30 years ago.