there on boyleston street. to know that three people were killed and then the fourth that police officer at m.i.t. and to hear their testimony, you know, day after day, week after week there inside that federal courthouse, but then you have to juxtapose that with what the defense has said especially with this nun who took to the stand who had met with dzhokhar tsarnaev who had said that, you know at least she believed in meeting with him a couple times that he showed remorse. i don't know if the people in the courtroom felt he showed remorse or the people who experienced the atrocities on that street two years ago, but how do you think that -- the defense closing arguments, that he was the younger brother, not the older, the leeldader here. how did all of that potentially work into these jurors' minds? >> you raise an interesting issue about the testimony from the nun. she became famous from that movie "dead man walking." of course she's somebody who