tough time. and we should let you know that cnn reached out and spoke with raymond selke, he's the father the husband of the deceased and the father of emily. and he said to cnn, he said to us, very upset, very distraught as you can imagine. he is asking for privacy for his family, but event wally they will have another family member who will represent them to talk more about who they are and why they were out there. but these were two individuals very close, mother and daughter were traveling together. emily, we are learning through her lingk linkedin page loved festivals and so it is tragic. >> tragic all the way around. suzanne malveaux thank you. nic robertson, my thanks to you as well. let me bring in our cnn aviation correspondent richard quest who is sitting here with me. my goodness, where do you even