committee believes that mr. trump and others may have, that's important, they are being careful, engaged in criminal and/or fraudulent acts. that's a very big deal to put on paper and submit to a federal judge. >> what kind of crimes are we talking? >> the two main crimes, obstruction of a federal proceeding. congress counting the electoral votes as required by the 12th amendment. also conspiracy to defraud the united states. people hear defraud, they think of money. here the fraud is defrauding the united states of a free and fair election. and now the committee argues this wasn't just bad legal advice from john eastman. this was false. this was fraudulent. and they know it because doj said so. homeland security, people in the white house said, you didn't win, mr. president. john eastman himself even acknowledged he knew this legal theory was bogus. >> let me pick up on that last point because there was a quote of an email exchange within this 61-page court filing. i want to zero in on it. this was a quote sent by a lawyer of vice president pence