they want to expand their own countries. china and taiwan in the south china seas to some of the islands. putin saying he wants to go back to the old cold war with nations in his security sphere. so it just really is interesting from that standpoint. one of the things i comment on, i had a chance to spend a couple of weeks in china when i was still in the military and talked to their war college students and some of their soldiers. in 1998, they had a 20-year plan, and at the time, when i saw that plan, i kind of said, whoo, being a bit ambitious. but truthly in the last 20 years they've hit every marker in terms of expanding not only their economy and the military. but china is a force to be reckoned with. putin, not so much. >> that's scarey to think about looking back 20 years ago to see where they have -- or haven't met their benchmarks and know they've been meeting them.