a federal prosecutor, never had one rejected by a judge, never heard of that happening to any of my colleagues. here's what's unusual about this case. there's two kinds of federal plea agreements, broadly speaking. the more common type, not the type this was, the more common type is when the prosecution and the defense agree the defendant will plead guilty, the sentencing range will be between a and b, and then it's up to the judge, the judge may sentence within that range, above or below, but the judge cannot accept or reject the plea. this deal here was the less common kind where the prosecution and defense agree the sentence will be x, in this case, 30 years, but in that case, the judge has the power to accept it or reject it. the judge here rejected it. it is extremely rare to see that happen. >> and we know ahmaud arbery's family has a strong reaction to the announcement of the plea deal. how much of an impact do you think that had on the judge's ruling? >> it had to have the largest impact you can think of. i mean, if ahmaud arbery's family said, we're fine with it, the prosecution was fine and the