>> yes. >> and how does that gun come out of that holster? >> it would rock forward? >> how do you full with your hand out of your holster? >> it would rock forward and you would pull it out? >> and the taser, on the other hand, you would press the button, rocked it backward and pull it out, correct? >> yes. >> all right. if we could take that down. thank you. now you testified that you have never deployed your taser or your firearm while on duty on the street, correct? >> not that i recall. i know for sure my firearm. >> okay. >> but you have drawn your taser multiple times while on duty, correct? >> several times? >> and you said that you did that as a way to de-escalate. i believe that was your