sandy hook, there is no reason to believe that what happened a couple days ago, or any other mass shooting is going to make a difference, because it's not. i mean, you know, they're going to sit on their hands, hope people forget. you know, i just hope these kinds of things just stay in the news, and we keep a body count, you know, just like with covid, you know, the number of people murdered on the streets, i mean, we pay attention to mass shootings, but every single day people are losing their lives to gun violence. every single day. and in many instances it goes -- it almost unnoticed. and unless we really pay attention and get the public interested in demanding change, nothing, absolutely nothing will happen, i have zero confidence in the united states congress doing anything at the federal level. commissioner charles ramsey, i appreciate the conversation. thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. coming up, talks drag on, hope dims, the time is running out, for a bipartisan deal on infrastructure. will new pressure to make progress equal results?