indeed retain his trident pin, which signals his membership as a navy seal. that is notable because that is what defense officials had been raising concerns about. in fact, the defense department says that richard spencer was fired because he tried to work out an arrangement with the white house going around mark esper to allow exactly this to happen. to allow eddy gallagher to retire while maintaining his membership in the navy s.e.a.l.s. so this is really quite remarkable circumstance that we're seeing particularly because the president is ultimately getting the exact outcome that he wanted despite all those concerns and even in the wake of the firing of in th navy secretary. >> i want to get a military voice in here now. joining us is retired lieutenant general mark hurtling. what's your reaction to all this? >> confusion. >> me too. >> there's so many stories involved in this. i think ryan and jeremy just