and no like -- it is not -- no rules like criminal proceeding and so if the president, fellow republicans in congress, decide they want to stand by the president, they can. there's no reason why they can't do that. that's certainly what we are seeing right now. >> according to multiple administration officials, kim, two of the president's allies are informally advising the white house now on the impeachment inquiry, specifically the reported aspects of the testimonies given so far which, by the way, have been in the skiff, right? a secret room. supposed to be kept secret and where they talk about classified information. so are they taking any legal risks by sharing information with the white house? >> hard to know what they're actually sharing. and the extent to which there are laws that govern that process. the question always is, with all of this, i talk about this in the book, is what are the consequences for violating norms and violating rules?