down on that in an exchange about january 6 and he's returned now to we're not going to see eye to eye on this. apparently the boldness was short-lived. >> well, look, he has to live with two things. one, what he did in that day which was the creck thing to have done as we've discussed many times and number two, his speech was ch was a clear statement that he believes trump was wrong. so from this point forward, i think the way it is best to interpret mike pence's statements is through the lense of a political campaign because he's clearly going to run for president. and he has to live with his actions which were the correct actions but also try not to antagonize people who may not agree with him on this but certa certainly inclined to like mike pence. but it is say high wire act, but it is less been explaining january 6 and his legacy, and more about what do i have to do to be competitive in a