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information bears directly on president trump's state of mind during the january 6th attack as the violence was under way. so he is somebody who is a firsthand witness here who spoke with the president, who argued with the president. he's a leader, a republican leader in the congress. and they believe that his testimony is hugely important to them to say, okay, what was the president's state of mind? now, obviously, there's a privilege issue here because he was talking to the president. the president is going to say those are privileged conversations. and so we have to see whether mccarthy, as ryan points out, who has always said i have nothing to hide, what mccarthy decides to do with this. >> elie, sorry to be a broken record and ask you the same thing that i do every day, but i think that this is the $64,000 question. what if he doesn't cooperate? >> yeah, i feel like this is

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