ahmaud arbery, that's never been an issue. the only issue is to why. having a defendant, one of these defendants stand up and say, yes, i did this, i was wrong, and i regret to the end of my life what happened. that's not going to hurt him in a federal civil rights trial and a federal hate crimes trial. if anything, that's going to help him. then perhaps the jury could see if they hear about it or know about it or the government wants to introduce it that he actually did care somewhat, and maybe the actions that he took that day were not motivated entirely by race because if they were, then they're getting convicted in federal court. so they could very well have made those statements, if they chose to do it. i think what this says is they didn't want to do it, and that's very different. >> areva martin is joining us now. your reaction to the sentence, tr travis and gregory mcmichael, life in prison without the possibility of parole. william roddie bryan, life in prison, with the possibility of