first deny there was a troop build up and start putting off the information, then change their tune after the meeting. >> so i'm not going to characterize the decision making of the ukrainian government only to say that we are in daily contact with senior officials in the ukrainian government. i'm in nearly daily contact with my counter part in the ukrainian government, and we believe that we are seeing a common threat picture here and our message to our friends in the ukrainian government as our message was today to president putin is that the united states supports the minsk process, wants to see progress made towards a cease fire, towards confidence building measures, and that is the best way forward. >> is the world safer today after that conversation between the two leaders or less safe, and then i have a follow up as to your answer.