his book "the chief's chief." is there any criminal exposure here for him? >> right, and by the way, yes, he is the center of the center. he is trump's conduit to all these agencies for all these wacky theories from distortion of u.s. law to possible international conspiracies with china and the like. and you can see now why they didn't want to refer him for criminal contempt. because with bannon, they lose his testimony when he goes over to the other side. with meadows, they really need it. look, he's got a really solid criminal former deputy attorney general counsel. if they do tiptoe to the edge of criminal exposure, he'll certainly refuse on criminal grounds. for now he is sitting for what the committee is calling an initial deposition, so they have in mind more than one, and