who decides when it's in the best interest of the united states to disclose presidential records? is it the current occupant of the white house or the former? >> reporter: and look, despite the skepticism you hear from the judges there, they also seem to have a little misgiving about the idea that the former president had no right to try to come to court and make these arguments. so, we'll see when they rule, obviously, whoever wins this round is likely to go to the supreme court to try to hear -- to get another round of this. alisyn and victor? >> okay, evan perez, thank you for the update. cnn's senior legal analyst elie honig joins us now. let's start with everything that evan just reported. let's start with meadows. how significant a development is what you have heard? >> well, alisyn, it's a very big deal. mark meadows is a central player in january 6th. he was with donald trump throughout january 6th. he should have some key