put a client on the stand, you're going to lose, period. >> what do you see as the crucial moment here? >> there were a lot. i mean, i think -- i think it is at the beginning. but when attorney bginger gave his opening statement that kyle chased rosenbaum down, i don't know where that came from to this day. that was ridiculous. and that gave me something to really show and argue to a jury that this isn't fair, it's not a game and i think that was huge. cory, my co-council and i stress the word co-council, he was not a second chair, was incredible. we fought over who got to cross-examine gaige grosskreutz and he would be and he did a better job than i would have. >> this is a racial justice and second amendment and self-defense. what does kyle and his team want this verdict to be remembered