very real issue going forward. how much control will this court that informally bears the name of john roberts, the roberts' court, really have him in charge here. for many, many months, the last couple of years after justice anthony kennedy had retired, the chief justice had sat at the center of the court and also held the ideological center of this court. so he had a lot of power. he was in the majority in virtually every important case, and what we're seeing now with the five conservatives to his right including three appointees of donald trump, he no longer has that power. last night's ruling -- last night's order from the court could really be a sign of what is to come, whether it is john roberts' court or perhaps it is more of a donald trump court. >> thank you, joan, for the reporting. >> thank you. our next guests represent