has there been no sort of softening on any of those red lines that might indicate they're getting serious? >> you know, we've heard a cup of intriguing hints from both sides. zelenskyy said the ukrainians could consider commitment joining nato and maybe accept a non-nato neutral status. it wasn't official proposal but amusing but highly interesting because it would be a key concession to russia. russia for their part "the beat" they don't insist on zelenskyy's removal. there's still a huge gap, but those were two intriguing signs. we're still so far on the common core issue of get out of our country versus, no, we're staying. >> what do you think will be most responsible for pushing russia to make some concessions? is it the military side, the