do. but why did he go so far? >> i think he had that flame of justice and freedom and the yearning for liberation from, you know, throughout his career as a cleric. from the time that he was bishop of johannesburg, and as his time progressed as a cleric. so he became more and more involved in the political struggle. but he always -- he never became a politician. he was always a man of the cloth who was there for justice and freedom. you know, i think it was the circumstances of his life. and having experienced firsthand the inhumanity and deg ra dei guess that came with apartheid. that he felt it his mission to represent, to be the voice of