much it meant to the president. and, of course, it would mean a lot to the president. this is a pope that counseled the president after the death of his son beau in 2015. they kept in touch can sort of, they met between now and then. and the president actually presented the pope with a coin that bore the insignia of the delaware national guard, the military pact that he was in. and it touched on other issues but really more symbolic than any one issue. >> seemingly agree on the rap p rapport between the two. >> just to come at it from. two different angles, whatever comes of the g20 on the conference, the elephant in the room is whether the u.s. commitments, whether they might be in the end, are worth anything, the sort of back and forth, hyperpolarized nature of