kim. >> all right. and then, kevin, the other big meeting there, biden says with the pope, it was unusually long. what did you make of their meeting and the fact that it apparently touched on the political controversy of biden's very standing as a catholic? >> reporter: yeah, i think what was striking was the way that meeting sort of spans the political issues and the very personal issues. president biden, of course, very devout catholic, the second catholic american president goes to mass almost every week, once considered joining the priesthood himself. and that really was evident in the meeting with pope francis, and you saw that in the sort of scattered images you saw coming out of their greetings. the president very talkative, very warm with pope francis, this was the fourth time they'd met. this was not the first time they met. and the white house saying climate is one of the issues that the pope wants to talk