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catholic charities, hospitals, schools, and, you know, they are there on the ground. they are ready and willing to put plans into action for -- on vaccines, for example. but they need the united leadership of many of the world's countries, of pharmaceutical companies and so on. so they need to have people who can put pressure on these governments and show the leadership. and obviously he's going to be looking to president biden for that. >> for pope francis, the pharmaceutical companies and their distribution of these vaccines is such an important issue. explain. >> absolutely. so, one of the pope's major calling points is to say to pharmaceutical companies, you have an obligation, an ethical obligation to waive your patents. he's had donations, he's asking wealthy countries to donate to poorer countries. he's in favor of waiving patents. he's in favor of getting the

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