there is a campaign to get a sizable chunk of oregon and even some in northern california to become part of greater idaho. supporters in oregon claim their state refuses to protect its citizens from the rioting scene in portland and other law and order issues. id idaho, on the other hand, stands for more of what they see as american values. >> it's not a vote to start a new state. it is just the beginning process of asking oregon to let oregon's rural counties go and asking idaho, would you allow us to become part of your state? >> but earlier i spoke with juliette muso, vice dean at the university of california's vice school of public policy and an expert on secession, and i asked her whether these efforts have any chance of working. here she is. >> california counties first started talking about leaving california in 1941. but i do think that we're seeing