american values. >> it's not a vote to start a new state. it is just the beginning process of asking oregon to let oregon's rural counties go and asking idaho, would you allow us to become part of your state. >> so earlier, i spoke with juliette muso, a vice dean at the university of south carolina's price school of public policy and an expert on secession, and i asked her whether these efforts have a chance of working, or is it local politicians sending a message to their base? here it is? >> any of these secession measures has to be approved by legislatures in both states and by the u.s. congress and it's a little bit of a paradox, actually. because if you seek to leave an area where there's a dominant ideology that doesn't suit you, it's unlikely that you're going to be allowed to leave. but i do think that it is, i