like i'm supposed to be here. >> what about those who would say, shouldn't the pope be meeting with the victims of those in here who are guilty? >> if a house is on fire, yes, you want to help the people who are getting out of there, you want to get them out. you also want to put out the fire. if you're going to help change society, the change comes in the heart first. >> they're part of a team that built this chair for him as a gift. >> what's that experience like? >> once in a lifetime thing. our supervisors came to us with the idea that they wanted us to make the chair, we were all ecstatic and excited. >> it was a lot of work. from woodwork to the upholstery work. with us collaborating on the job, everything came together and it came together nice. >> we tried to make it as perfect as possible. >> you're going to be able to say for the rest of your life,