government money here to the imf. but still, they have made it clear they will consider that a default and that puts greece in a precarious situation along with cuba, zimbabwe somalia. it puts them in a dubious country for a high-income country and one that is part of the eurozone. so what people will be looking for is any sign of a last-minute olive branch looking unlikely at this point but it's the question is where do we go from here after this evening if they miss that deadline. >> a lot of red there. but there are hours left. perhaps there is a financial miracle. we just don't know. in the meantime the european creditors and the greek negotiators have remained firm in their positions. so john in an interview on