election was a grave betrayal, by a man who took power in an election so sketch they many americans don't believe it was even real. >> joining me now to discuss npr mead why correspondent david folkenflick, good to have you on today. >> great to join you, jim. >> so, david, based on what we're hearing from tucker carlson despite the fact that now we know he was lying to his viewers around the election saying one thing in private and one thing on the air and he was still calling the election into question. are any murdoch-owned publications whether it's fox, fox business, "the wall street journal," are any of the readers of the publications seeing what we're seeing here and the revelations from these court documents? >> oh, i think if you read "the wall street journal" you are getting a very straightforward news report and its pages often