official capacity as president of the senate. that ought to be protected under the speech or debate clause of the constitution, right right. and during the january 6th hearings , we learned about this kind of heated phone call between president trump and pence i'm gonna we have a clip of the witnesses talking about it. let's listen to that first. but at some point it started off. as a calmer tone and everything and then became heated. the conversation was was pretty heated. remember hearing the word wimp like being you're not tough enough to make the call. remember what she said her father called him. the p word. listening to all those witnesses . describe that conversation. elliot you have to think that they're gonna want to talk to the former vice president about this. how legally relevant do you think that call will become that's the important question legally or the important word legally relevant now look, a lot of it is important palace intrigue and drama. how much of