kind of recovery, rescue, and then doing it as part of a swap and -- and having faith that the people you're dealing with are doing so in good faith. the way you describe it, it's absolutely fascinating. i want to go back to what you said about the taliban, or the people who have been at guantanamo, being in the air since you said 2:00 p.m. eastern. can you shed a little more light on that leap of faith? maybe that the taliban took? because it's clear that -- that the army sergeant was released before those at guantanamo were. >> yeah. maybe only a little bit, dana. what we know is that these five detainees were turned over to -- or we are told these five detainees were turned over to qatari custody on the ground at guantanamo bay. so the qataris had custody of them, legal custody if you will, physical custody of them, at