goosebumps, deena. go ahead. >> i have to tell you, really what was most important i think for most of us in that room is that the -- the scenario of what happens in your own mind is more of a nightmare than really hearing those sounds and having the visual that they create for you. so i would really encourage the family members to continue to ask and fight for it. >> that's wonderful advice. >> for that recording. yes. the nightmare that you create in your mind is just so much harder than anything you could hear on that tape. >> deena, thank you for coming on. we wish them the best of luck. thank you.