this particular moment in light of all these church scandals. and he's done this through these -- these virtues of poverty and humility and compassionate ministry. i think for me, that shows that a lot can be achieved even by very, very small changes and renewed emphasis on traditional christian virtues and practices. >> well, he certainly seems much more approachable, much more relatable. and certainly even the fact that he doesn't have the popemobile makes him seem much closer to the people. all right. brent strawn, thank you so much. well, what would it be like to be on death row? to be told that you're going to die on a certain date? even worse, what would it be like to be told that knowing that you're innocent? just ahead i'm going to talk with a man who was on death row. spent more than half his life in prison for a crime he says he did not commit. next to him is the woman who saved his life. we'll tell you why you'll be hearing a lot about them in the week ahead. this is the quicksilver cash back card from capital one. it's not the "juggle a bunch of rotating categories" card.