if they think this is the best choice, i just appreciate they're moving in the right direction. >> allow me to play devil's advocate. women are fighting to meet the same standards as men, and now the standards are changing, one could say lowering, as the number differential exists between women and men. is that counter intuitive. if you want women to be treated equally, should they be required to fit the same number? >> i think that there are a couple of different points here. first of all, we want to make sure that everyone is fit enough to do the job before them. right? so the marine corps is able to determine, you know, maybe a woman doesn't need to do 20 pull-ups to do the job. we have been in combat for the last ten years without having to meet a 20 pull-up standard. but to do the same jobs, combat jobs, we do need to meet the same standards. there are women who are doing exactly that. there have been 13 women who graduated from marine corps infantry training meeting the same standards as the men. it's definitely achievable.