seized from american citizens. it's being seized from telephone companies and they own the metadata, and there's a reasonable process in place. very different from judge leon's decision, which of course, was the exact opposite. >> jeffrey -- >> kyra, if i could add one point. >> yes. >> what's especially confusing in these two opinions is that judge leon said, the one in washington, that this collection program hasn't prevented any terrorist attacks. it hasn't done any good. judge polley here in new york says it has prevented terrorist attacks. it has been helpful. frankly, i'm left puzzled. i don't know. >> we as americans, we haven't seen another attack, jeffrey, you know? it's kind of how we look at it, like, okay, we haven't been attacked on our soil since 9/11. >> there have been terrorist acts, the attempted christmas bombing in detroit. >> but thwarted. >> the shooting at the army