you, whether it's your faith, your race. the things that they're doing there, they're having open conversations. what i would encourage for that distribute to do is not to allow the punishment to be the teachable moment, because a lot of people do not learn strictly from the punishment but go a step further and have these kind of conversations and education so you don't have these ugly circumstances happening again. >> and perhaps other schools, other student bodies are listening and hearing situations like this and perhaps learning a lesson as well. >> absolutely. >> l.c. grammer, always good to see you. thanks so much. >> thank you. alex rodriguez is appealing his 211-game suspension from major league baseball, which accuses him of using performance enhan enhancing drugs but did he hurt his own case after storming out of that hearing? that's coming up in our 3:00 hour. ♪ [ chicken caws ] [ male announcer ] when your favorite food starts a fight,