think. people have a point about obama care. if they don't like it, they can work it out. if you're upset about the debt ceiling, work it out, but don't shut down the government. that's why the republicans are losing traction and the latest polls show it. >> i'm not going to argue, and i said the shutdown is being pinned mostly on the republicans. i think that was a predictable outcome. but i would remind you that most americans also think that the debt ceiling should be attached to spending cuts. that is a feasible thing most americans understand that. so you can play polls against each other. they don't like obama care, but they don't like the shutdown. they want the debt ceiling attached the spending cuts. i mean, there's a lot of sort of reaction you could look at here. but i think the take away is that republicans are divided on the tactics over how to achieve all the same things. all republicans want entitlement reform, tax reform, spending cuts, deficit cuts, and to end obama care. we're absolutely divided. i'm not saying this is a good thing. we're absolutely divided on how