if there were a deal to come out of the talks that is the beginning of a difficult process. it's good news they're meeting but it's no cause for any great hope unfortunately. >> that makes me want to run from the room actually because the president has said he'll accept this deal, this temporary deal with no republican provisions. how is that negotiating, jason? >> it is in a way. there's a "new york times" article, talking about the president says the republicans want me to implement romney's platform and pretty much resign. he's not saying can we at least get the debt ceiling fixed or we don't take the economy but not for his presidency but every presidency over the next two generations if this apores to be a good negotiating tactic we'll never get it back. he's trying to fix that. >> the main issue is trust. senator collins was talking about the effects of not raising the debt ceiling. she says that republicans some republicans are skeptical because the treasury department